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	<title>Comments on: How To Get A Refund From A Real Estate Coaching Program</title>
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		<title>By: BlackHAT</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackHAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 00:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Begin by contacting your State Attorney General. This individual will handle most scams that occur in their state as they try and protect those who reside there. Most people will find that when the Attorney General sends a demand letter to the company you are fighting with a refund quickly follows. In some cases the business is so shady you have to take another set of steps.

LOL GOOD LUCK WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

Take the time to report the real estate coaching program to other companies online. This will allow others to avoid the company while you are able to get advice from other users about getting a refund. Your word of mouth will damage the amount of fraudulent funds this individual can collect from others, and in no time you have helped to shut down an illegal practice that is preying on others. If a company sees you list them on one of the websites, they might contact you for a refund in an effort to have this listing removed as well.

ALL THE GURUS ARE PARTNERED WITH EACH OTHER THIS WILL HAVE NO AFFECT ON THEIR PRACTICE!

The Better Business Bureau is another great place to go. They will help to resolve the matter as quickly as possible. In most cases you will find that they can become a mediator for the refund, and if left ignored, they will fail a company. Many consumers turn to this company to help them decide if they are willing to do businesses with them. A complaint can be done directly from their website.

THE BBB HAS NO GOVERNMENT AFFILIATION WHAT SO EVER SO BASICALLY ITS A HUGE REVIEW SITE WITCH MOST OF THE COMPANIES DONT EVEN REGISTER FOR!

You will also have the option to contact a consumer Fraud department. These companies are designed to shutdown fraudulent companies that are taking advantage of people and providing services that aren&#039;t legal or ethical. Different states have a different department to report to. Check into who handles these complaints and file on online report.

SAME AS YOUR BANK SITUATION!</description>
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<p>Begin by contacting your State Attorney General. This individual will handle most scams that occur in their state as they try and protect those who reside there. Most people will find that when the Attorney General sends a demand letter to the company you are fighting with a refund quickly follows. In some cases the business is so shady you have to take another set of steps.</p>
<p>LOL GOOD LUCK WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL</p>
<p>Take the time to report the real estate coaching program to other companies online. This will allow others to avoid the company while you are able to get advice from other users about getting a refund. Your word of mouth will damage the amount of fraudulent funds this individual can collect from others, and in no time you have helped to shut down an illegal practice that is preying on others. If a company sees you list them on one of the websites, they might contact you for a refund in an effort to have this listing removed as well.</p>
<p>ALL THE GURUS ARE PARTNERED WITH EACH OTHER THIS WILL HAVE NO AFFECT ON THEIR PRACTICE!</p>
<p>The Better Business Bureau is another great place to go. They will help to resolve the matter as quickly as possible. In most cases you will find that they can become a mediator for the refund, and if left ignored, they will fail a company. Many consumers turn to this company to help them decide if they are willing to do businesses with them. A complaint can be done directly from their website.</p>
<p>THE BBB HAS NO GOVERNMENT AFFILIATION WHAT SO EVER SO BASICALLY ITS A HUGE REVIEW SITE WITCH MOST OF THE COMPANIES DONT EVEN REGISTER FOR!</p>
<p>You will also have the option to contact a consumer Fraud department. These companies are designed to shutdown fraudulent companies that are taking advantage of people and providing services that aren&#8217;t legal or ethical. Different states have a different department to report to. Check into who handles these complaints and file on online report.</p>
<p>SAME AS YOUR BANK SITUATION!</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-4285</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you tell me where we can find Lisa Madigan and how to contact her?</description>
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<p>Can you tell me where we can find Lisa Madigan and how to contact her?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Buckley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Buckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although you have some really good methods I can personally testify to this one. I&#039;ve contacted Lisa Madigan&#039;s who is the  Attorney General. Her office is slow when it comes to responding if you get even a response at all. She&#039;s almost leaving a message crime does pay. The only time she jumps and that&#039;s when Michael Madigan (Lisa Madigan&#039;s Father) was getting fingers pointed at for some possible fraud that I&#039;ve read on the internet in the past. 

I have received some great help with the FBI.

Blogging and other notification are good to warn someone but if you don&#039;t return the persons money or legally punished what good does it really do?</description>
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<p>Although you have some really good methods I can personally testify to this one. I&#8217;ve contacted Lisa Madigan&#8217;s who is the  Attorney General. Her office is slow when it comes to responding if you get even a response at all. She&#8217;s almost leaving a message crime does pay. The only time she jumps and that&#8217;s when Michael Madigan (Lisa Madigan&#8217;s Father) was getting fingers pointed at for some possible fraud that I&#8217;ve read on the internet in the past. </p>
<p>I have received some great help with the FBI.</p>
<p>Blogging and other notification are good to warn someone but if you don&#8217;t return the persons money or legally punished what good does it really do?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-3784</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lynne:
I&#039;m not sure how many are reading this blog.  Duncan has a different blog where it seems that there are a lot more Fastrack victims so it may help to post there as well at:

http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/in-the-news/karen-hanover-suckered-1000s-commercial-short-sale-launch/</description>
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<p>@Lynne:<br />
I&#8217;m not sure how many are reading this blog.  Duncan has a different blog where it seems that there are a lot more Fastrack victims so it may help to post there as well at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/in-the-news/karen-hanover-suckered-1000s-commercial-short-sale-launch/" rel="nofollow">http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/in-the-news/karen-hanover-suckered-1000s-commercial-short-sale-launch/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lynne M Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne M Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After talking with Rebecca, I too contacted the FBI.  They are sending all claims to the Long Beach Office.  Their phone number is 562-432-6951.  $30,000 later I realized that she was a Scam Artist.  I have been involved with other Coaching programs and have nothing but nice things to say about them.  When they scheduled a webinar,it happened.  When there was a Conference it was provided in a very professional manner.  Support questions were responded to by the next day.  Five months after signing up with her I have actually been on only one conference with her and other Fastrackers.  I have asked for my money back due to &quot;failure to perform&quot; on her part.  Of course I have NOT received my money back.  Thanks to Rebecca, Venessa, and others we now have a movement for a class action suit.</description>
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<p>After talking with Rebecca, I too contacted the FBI.  They are sending all claims to the Long Beach Office.  Their phone number is 562-432-6951.  $30,000 later I realized that she was a Scam Artist.  I have been involved with other Coaching programs and have nothing but nice things to say about them.  When they scheduled a webinar,it happened.  When there was a Conference it was provided in a very professional manner.  Support questions were responded to by the next day.  Five months after signing up with her I have actually been on only one conference with her and other Fastrackers.  I have asked for my money back due to &#8220;failure to perform&#8221; on her part.  Of course I have NOT received my money back.  Thanks to Rebecca, Venessa, and others we now have a movement for a class action suit.</p>
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		<title>By: REBECCA</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-3480</link>
		<dc:creator>REBECCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AM A FASTRACKER THAT GOT FRAUDED OUT OF OVER 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM KAREN HANOVER. AFTER SHE RIPPED ME OFF AND REALIZED THAT MY POSTINGS WHERE BRINGING IN MORE FASTRACKERS THAT GOT FRAUDED TOO SHE HAD I BELEIVE HER BROTHER POSE AS AN FBI AGENT AND THE FBI&#039;S REAL PHONE NUMBER CAME UP ON MY CALLER ID. I CALLED BACK THE AGENCY TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE AGENT THAT TRAMATISED ME OVER THE PHONE AND I WAS THEN INFORMED THAT IT WAS NOT A REAL AGENT. 

I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH A REAL FBI AGENT FROM THE OFFICE THAT KAREN HANOVER HAD SOMEONE POSE AS AN AGENT AND THEY ASKED ME TO COME TO THEIR OFFICE. THEY SAID THAT THEY BELEIVE SHE USED A SERVICE CALLED SPOOFED AND THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO POSE AS AN FBI AGENT AND THAT THEY WANT TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA ON KAREN HANOVER.

IN THE MEAN TIME ANY OTHER FASTRACKERS OUT THERE NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO PLEASE MAKE A COMPLAINT AT YOUR LOCAL FBI AGENCY AND THE FBI AGENT OUT HERE WILL RETREIVE ALL THE COMPLAINS WHERE EVER ELSE THEY ARE FILED. WHEN I GET BACK I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 

BLOG ABOUT YOUR STORY I KNOW I HAVE TALKED TO OVER 20 OTHER FASTRACKERS AND NO ONE ELSE IS BLOGGING. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED WITH ALL THE SUPPORT YOU WILL RECEIVE FROM SOME WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT CARE. 

OTHER THAN THAT CALL ME IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM MANY MANY OTHER FASTRACKERS THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY KAREN HANOVERS FRAUD. AND ALSO PLEASE BE CAREFUL WITH SEAN CARPENTER AS WELL. HE IS ASSOCIATED WITH KAREN HANOVER AND I WILL BRING ALL OF HIS INFORMATION AND CONTACT TO THE FBI AS WELL. 

CALL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU NEED TO TALK TO OTHER VICTIMS K.  XO  REBECCA 714-523-1546</description>
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<p>I AM A FASTRACKER THAT GOT FRAUDED OUT OF OVER 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM KAREN HANOVER. AFTER SHE RIPPED ME OFF AND REALIZED THAT MY POSTINGS WHERE BRINGING IN MORE FASTRACKERS THAT GOT FRAUDED TOO SHE HAD I BELEIVE HER BROTHER POSE AS AN FBI AGENT AND THE FBI&#8217;S REAL PHONE NUMBER CAME UP ON MY CALLER ID. I CALLED BACK THE AGENCY TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE AGENT THAT TRAMATISED ME OVER THE PHONE AND I WAS THEN INFORMED THAT IT WAS NOT A REAL AGENT. </p>
<p>I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH A REAL FBI AGENT FROM THE OFFICE THAT KAREN HANOVER HAD SOMEONE POSE AS AN AGENT AND THEY ASKED ME TO COME TO THEIR OFFICE. THEY SAID THAT THEY BELEIVE SHE USED A SERVICE CALLED SPOOFED AND THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO POSE AS AN FBI AGENT AND THAT THEY WANT TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA ON KAREN HANOVER.</p>
<p>IN THE MEAN TIME ANY OTHER FASTRACKERS OUT THERE NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO PLEASE MAKE A COMPLAINT AT YOUR LOCAL FBI AGENCY AND THE FBI AGENT OUT HERE WILL RETREIVE ALL THE COMPLAINS WHERE EVER ELSE THEY ARE FILED. WHEN I GET BACK I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. </p>
<p>BLOG ABOUT YOUR STORY I KNOW I HAVE TALKED TO OVER 20 OTHER FASTRACKERS AND NO ONE ELSE IS BLOGGING. YOU WILL BE SURPRISED WITH ALL THE SUPPORT YOU WILL RECEIVE FROM SOME WONDERFUL PEOPLE THAT CARE. </p>
<p>OTHER THAN THAT CALL ME IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM MANY MANY OTHER FASTRACKERS THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY KAREN HANOVERS FRAUD. AND ALSO PLEASE BE CAREFUL WITH SEAN CARPENTER AS WELL. HE IS ASSOCIATED WITH KAREN HANOVER AND I WILL BRING ALL OF HIS INFORMATION AND CONTACT TO THE FBI AS WELL. </p>
<p>CALL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU NEED TO TALK TO OTHER VICTIMS K.  XO  REBECCA 714-523-1546</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1689</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CGR Suckered:
I suggest you post byour question at Duncan&#039;s other blog post since there is a lot more information and ideas being exchanged on how to recover money stolen by Karen Hanover and DC Fawcett:

http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/in-the-news/karen-hanover-suckered-1000s-commercial-short-sale-launch/comment-page-16/#comments

Those two are truly parasites of society.</description>
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<p>@CGR Suckered:<br />
I suggest you post byour question at Duncan&#8217;s other blog post since there is a lot more information and ideas being exchanged on how to recover money stolen by Karen Hanover and DC Fawcett:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/in-the-news/karen-hanover-suckered-1000s-commercial-short-sale-launch/comment-page-16/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/in-the-news/karen-hanover-suckered-1000s-commercial-short-sale-launch/comment-page-16/#comments</a></p>
<p>Those two are truly parasites of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Wierman</title>
		<link>http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/comment-page-2/#comment-1688</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Wierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CGR Suckered - This article may help you: 

http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/

Fortunately you used a credit card!  Dispute The Charge - Services not received. 

We also posted how to file a FTC complaint telephonically at www.duncanwierman.wordpress.com 

Also posted another bit of evidence to discredit her denials of not being part of the LLC response to the lawsuit...</description>
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<p>Hi CGR Suckered &#8211; This article may help you: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/" rel="nofollow">http://www.duncanwierman.com/blog/recommended-resources/how-to-get-a-refund-from-a-real-estate-coaching-program/</a></p>
<p>Fortunately you used a credit card!  Dispute The Charge &#8211; Services not received. </p>
<p>We also posted how to file a FTC complaint telephonically at <a href="http://www.duncanwierman.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.duncanwierman.wordpress.com</a> </p>
<p>Also posted another bit of evidence to discredit her denials of not being part of the LLC response to the lawsuit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CGR Suckered</title>
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		<dc:creator>CGR Suckered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Duncan or Richard,

Thanks for DC And Karen info.

Question I have is : How do I get a refund for money I paid in full plus the Online-access charge they made that I was supposed to get it free for 3 months? - I have send their support team many emails but never got any positive replies except they were describing what I get in the CGR system, but it is just that the original CGR product not exist anyway!

I have spoken to my Credit card Co and they will take it up with vendor.  

I want to file a complaint with the State Attorney general and i need some info. on what to term this complaint as and where (which state i need to file it in. I think, DC Fawcett&#039;s co. is a Nevada co with foreign co status in Florida).

It will be a great help to know if any one else has done that.

DC&#039;s Corporation &#039;Neighborhood Solutions, Inc&#039; is a Nevada Co and registered as a &#039;foreign Co. in Florida.

My Issue!

They never delivered the service!

1) I could&#039;t go to their seminar (system dropped my name off  - Although it said (each time I resubmitted) that I cannot resubmit as I was already registered. In the end they offered me to go to their Oct 10 Commercial Gold Seminar where I&#039;ll be with a smaller group but with the same training by DC and Karen.

2) In August they &#039;Split&#039; so now the Oct 10 Gold Rush seminar does not exist.

3) Both started sending me &#039;umpteen&#039; emails to &#039;sign-on for their individual substitutes and I don&#039;t want them because i don&#039;t need them. 

I paid in full for the original Commercial Gold such product - and I did not get the service I Paid for.

I don&#039;t want the substitute.

How do I get my money back! ie: Paying for something that I did  not get.

I lost my 30day refund time because their support system perhaps could not handle my reservation and i was alter offered to go in their Oct 10 seminar (Now that CGR seminar does not Exist).

Any guidance will help me a lot,
Thanks and God Bless you both.</description>
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<p>Hello Duncan or Richard,</p>
<p>Thanks for DC And Karen info.</p>
<p>Question I have is : How do I get a refund for money I paid in full plus the Online-access charge they made that I was supposed to get it free for 3 months? &#8211; I have send their support team many emails but never got any positive replies except they were describing what I get in the CGR system, but it is just that the original CGR product not exist anyway!</p>
<p>I have spoken to my Credit card Co and they will take it up with vendor.  </p>
<p>I want to file a complaint with the State Attorney general and i need some info. on what to term this complaint as and where (which state i need to file it in. I think, DC Fawcett&#8217;s co. is a Nevada co with foreign co status in Florida).</p>
<p>It will be a great help to know if any one else has done that.</p>
<p>DC&#8217;s Corporation &#8216;Neighborhood Solutions, Inc&#8217; is a Nevada Co and registered as a &#8216;foreign Co. in Florida.</p>
<p>My Issue!</p>
<p>They never delivered the service!</p>
<p>1) I could&#8217;t go to their seminar (system dropped my name off  &#8211; Although it said (each time I resubmitted) that I cannot resubmit as I was already registered. In the end they offered me to go to their Oct 10 Commercial Gold Seminar where I&#8217;ll be with a smaller group but with the same training by DC and Karen.</p>
<p>2) In August they &#8216;Split&#8217; so now the Oct 10 Gold Rush seminar does not exist.</p>
<p>3) Both started sending me &#8216;umpteen&#8217; emails to &#8216;sign-on for their individual substitutes and I don&#8217;t want them because i don&#8217;t need them. </p>
<p>I paid in full for the original Commercial Gold such product &#8211; and I did not get the service I Paid for.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want the substitute.</p>
<p>How do I get my money back! ie: Paying for something that I did  not get.</p>
<p>I lost my 30day refund time because their support system perhaps could not handle my reservation and i was alter offered to go in their Oct 10 seminar (Now that CGR seminar does not Exist).</p>
<p>Any guidance will help me a lot,<br />
Thanks and God Bless you both.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1442&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Dandrew Legit &lt;/a&gt; 
My pleasure.  I can&#039;t speak to the Attorney X program, but if you follow Dandrew, take it seriously and focus your efforts,  I think you&#039;ll be pleased with the results. 

Cheers,
Dana</description>
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<p><a href="#comment-1442" rel="nofollow">@Dandrew Legit </a><br />
My pleasure.  I can&#8217;t speak to the Attorney X program, but if you follow Dandrew, take it seriously and focus your efforts,  I think you&#8217;ll be pleased with the results. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Dana</p>
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